Audio Transcript of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard – recorded by Depp.
AH: When we are done, like, negotiating or talking – like, when both you and I say okay, done, done – that when the six-month thing process starts. And so I text you this, and now I guess you don’t remember it, but I texted you that at the very beginning and I said “By the way, by some miracle it didn’t get noticed, so we could even do this privately and it will be quiet and, you know, and,” I said, “unless you file, and you don’t have to file!” And I was trying to explain you my limited understanding of the whole…
JD: My filing did nothing, and it’s required.
AH: No it’s not.JD: It is required to acknowledge you’ve been filed against and you file as well.
AH: No, you do not. You make an acknowledgement of some kind, you don’t have to file back. When you file back in court, it…
JD: Amber—
AH: I’m not lying! I’m just trying to – you know what, I feel like you’re trying to defend yourself. And you don’t have to defend your team. We know there is a f**k up. But you hear me, right? You hear me? Please stop defending yourself. I’m not trying to fight with you. I’m just trying to tell you the truth. This is truth! I don’t know why you’re so angry about hearing it, why you’re so defensive, but I just thought you’d want to know all the information.
JD: Baby, I’m not angry. I want this to go away. I’m trying to talk you into making this go away.
AH: Then you need to know the real truth behind it, and this is important. This was completely private and was under the radar, and you did not have to file back. And I warned you that day, I said: “You don’t have to file back… If you file back it opens it up to being discovered.” And I was thinking naively that it would just be discovered by the way that TMZ typically discovers these things. I didn’t know it would be hand-delivered to them within like five minutes. I did not know it would be given to them. I couldn’t have known at that time how much Laura was going to use TMZ to her favour. I did not know that, so I just thought naively that TMZ could likely discover it if it was filed on your part. I warned you – I said this to you thinking that you were going to be participating – and I said: “Hey, just so you know, you don’t have to file. I’m not gonna go after you. I don’t want to stop talking to you or whatever, and you don’t have to file. If you file, it just opens us up to being discovered.” Because for some reason, the way we file—
JD: What would—
AH: My lawyer, when she filed, she gave explicit instructions to file within a stack of a bunch of other paperwork at the end of the day, so it would be more likely to not be discovered. And I was told that would be the most effective method at having a shot as it not being picked up for a day or two. I thought hey, maybe we’ll buy a few hours, you know? And I worked really hard, and so did my team, and it didn’t get picked up, by some miracle. So like, literally three days it didn’t get known about. Eight minutes or five minutes after your team filed for you, which is a move they didn’t have to make, then it was picked up by TMZ. It was given to TMZ within five minutes of it being filed, and Laura went and did it at the very opening of the business day, on top of a stack of paperwork. That is the opposite of keeping it private. And I just want you to know the whole truth. If I were you I’d wanna know all the information.
JD: I do, I do. I would like you to know all the information too, but I mean, do you have proof of that?
AH: Yeah.
JD: Good, excellent. Well I didn’t know anything about her filing to f**king TMZ or any s**t like that. She knows what I wanted. I don’t—
AH: I think maybe she’s trying to do what’s best for you without maybe you knowing… I don’t know, but she… I’ll put it to you this way: without being able to show you and expose my source – one of them in this regard – without doing that I can just tell you the basic facts. It was private for days after I filed. You did not have to file. That’s not a move that the other party has to make. And it’s just not.
JD: Okay. Okay. Okay
AH: It’s just not.
JD: Okay
AH: And your team did. And then, within five minutes, it was on TMZ. You just do the math yourself without any other thing and it’s very clear. And I don’t know if you knew that.
JD: No, I didn’t know that, and if that’s the case I’ll acknowledge it. And if you say you have proof, then I’ll acknowledge it. Look, it doesn’t shock me, that any [bleep] attorney would do something like that. It doesn’t shock me.
AH: Yeah.
JD: But I’m telling you now, if they file the f**king papers tomorrow, which means, s**t I’ve got to file before we go to court on Friday.
AH: Mmm.
JD: If they file those papers, first of all, it’s very bad for both of us, okay?
AH: Well, your people aren’t gonna file anything that they think is bad for you, trust me.
JD: No, what you’re saying, you’ve gotta do something to protect yourself, which means throwing me under the bus, with some video about me beating you?
AH: No! Not me! I have to respond! Legally I mean, I’ll have to go and pursue the – No, I’ll pursue the whole course of action, because here’s what you don’t understand: If we do this, and basically well no because, I called my lawyers and I said: “Why aren’t we negotiating more? What is going on? Where are we?” And they’re like: “Everything is under court, we literally cannot…”
JD: No, they won’t settle. Your agents won’t – your lawyers won’t settle, baby, I’m telling you.
AH: No, we want to mediate! We even found mediators and everything! Like, that was all worked out! But the thing that Laura didn’t agree to was, she did not want to agree to a mutual gag order. And that’s the problem: she doesn’t want the gag order, why Johnny? Why? Why wouldn’t she? Why wouldn’t she want both parties to not talk about this in the press? By the way, I’m just talking about the press, not even talking about the court. Why?
JD: Okay, I’ll tell you what. Amber, let me get on that right now. I’ll f**king get on it right now, and I’ll get a message back to you somehow. But I’ll get on it right now.
AH: I just want you to know, I’m not doing anything and have not been doing any move. Look it up, the timeline. Nothing was on the offense, everything has been a defensive move because I’m being called a liar and a gold-digger. And I’m not lying about any of this s**t, and I am not after a dime of your money. And you know what? I was told by Laura after the first meeting – the reason that I f**king stupid clicked on seeking spousal support was because I was told that was my only option, because no divorce attorney would ever say “Not” and then lose all rights to everything. Laura Wasser had said I would have to leave, I’d be kicked out, I’d be evicted – so Rock and Josh and everybody – evicted within 21 days.
JD: No. But last time we spoke I told you that you were fine: “You stay there two, three, four months, whatever, just f**king figure it out, we’ll figure it out. You say there, you be comfy.”
AH: I thought that too! They told me 21 days!
JD: “Be in your home! Be in your home!”
AH: No, I thought that too! They told me 21 days! That is part of why I accused you for doing that! This is the thing! Like that’s why I clicked yes, seeking spousal support, because that’s the only way I didn’t waive the right to stay in my home. That’s how f**ked up this is. I am having to do everything, every step I’ve had to make, my hand was forced in it – by really f**ked-up aggressive moves made on your team’s behalf. And now I’ve gotta f**king prove myself every step of the way, and it only hurts you! I don’t wanna hurt you! I love you!
JD: It’s hurting you. It’s hurting you, and it’s hurting me. But the worst f**king thing is, it’s hurting—
AH: But it becomes court…
[The line cuts out, but JD doesn’t realize.]
JD: Do you wanna go to court, Amber? Seriously? Do you wanna go to court with this? I’m offering you, right now, an opportunity for us to make this finish in peace. Peaceful, man. We walk away, you go do what you gotta do, I’ll go do what I gotta do. I’ve been through the f**king hurt, you’ve been through the f**king hurt. I love you more than anything in life. But I do not want do go into a f**king court with you. I do not want to f**king tarnish your name, I don’t want nothing. I want this to be done peacefully, between us, and if you don’t like the way that mediation is going, take me back to court kid. ’Cause this is the last f**king chance Amber, this is it. Once they file those papers we don’t turn around, man. And I know you hate me, whatever… I’m telling you now. There is no call, it doesn’t need to happen like this. Please, for f**k’s sake, trust me man. iO is not gonna help you in this. Nobody’s going to help you in this. I’m trying to help you in this. I love you, regardless of whether we’re together or not. I love you, and I have loved you, with everything in the f**king world, whether your love was real or not, I love you. And I want this—
[Phone rings]
JD: Hey.
AH: Can you hear me?
JD: Course everything I said was not heard, right? F**k me.
AH: I don’t know, I don’t know.
JD: I know. What I was trying to say is this: Continuing through court is going to end up nothing but bad, for you and for me. It’s just gonna be bad, in any case, no matter whether we ruin each other or not. It’s gonna be f**king heartbreaking. It’s terrible. Let’s write a mutual letter that says “Look, in lieu of what’s transpiring out there in the world with all this f**king crazy s**t, we have decided to take this private. We’re not going to go to court, right now, over this. We’re gonna try to work something out, together.” And then at least, at the very f**king least… I know you wanna respond and I know you wanna defend yourself. Listen to me. Defending yourself by throwing someone under the bus is not going to look good.
AH: I’m not! It’s not about that! It would not be about me throwing you under the bus. You know what it would be? It would be released through documented people coming on the record and, having the protection to do so, that haven’t had yet. It would be eyewitness statements. It would be evidence, tons of it, and it would be through years. And it would be unbelievable, unbelievable, to imagine that either I’m (a) in a secret fight club or (b) —
JD: A secret what?
AH: A secret fight club, or that I have been plotting to do this for three years, while taking pictures of it, and documenting it, just saving it up for the right time when I’m not asking for any money and have nothing financial to gain from it. But no one is going to believe that. No one is going to believe one of the two alternatives, that I’m in a fight club, or I’ve been going through hair and makeup, through all these years where I have corroborating text messages between people that match those dates of those time-stamped validated photos. I would either corroborate between people hearing us or corroboration of next day, you know, Whitney sending text messages to Kevin, him responding, or, you know, the kind of stuff like between me and people in your life. It is insanely cross-corroborated, then it is a plan, “I’m gonna put makeup on myself and take pictures throughout years and just sit on it for years.” That, while having this imaginary life run parallel to it. Do you understand that the pictures I have match with, like, text messages to my mom back and forth about it, and text messages between, say, Raquel and my mom, or Raquel and my dad, or between my two friends. Or there’s a text message where I tell Jodi the night before I had that James Corden night show thing, where I say [fake sob]: “Hey Jodi, I’ve had an accident! I have a busted lip, I may have a busted nose, and two black eyes tomorrow, and I don’t know how bad it’ll be until in the morning and we may have to cancel. I don’t know how bad, I’m icing it, I’ll just let you in the morning…” You know, and things like that. It doesn’t matter. And all of that won’t be me throwing you under the bus, that will be evidence, in this case, which will be criminal as well, because I cannot go on Friday and file without filing a police statement first. And the only reason I haven’t filed that police statement – which has been used against me by the way, every day – and the only reason I haven’t done it, is because I don’t wanna hurt you and that means it goes out of my hands. And we had a third party prosecutor come and a criminal lawyer come, and they went: “The problem is, hearing from you, like your biggest struggle is that this is the most solid-evidenced case of domestic vi*lence we’ve ever seen, and if you give this over to them or present any part of it, they will prosecute him.” And I felt I would never want that, because it’s hard for me to even understand… I don’t call myself… like, still in my head it’s hard for me to even accept any sort of victimdom ever!
JD: Amber, listen, here’s what – I –
AH: And the problem is I have to— I don’t want to hurt you.
JD: I understand, I understand. And I don’t want to hurt you either. I’m only gonna say this. I, I love you [laughs]. I love you, and I’ve always loved you. Look, you do whatever you feel you have to do. I’m telling you now, it’s a mistake to go to court. But if you wanna go to court, we’ll go to court. I would rather take care of it a different way, I think it would be very good for you, and I think it would be very good for me. But you know what?
JD: Baby. Baby. Baby. Baby. Baby. Amber I didn’t call you those things. I didn’t call you those things.
AH: But you… it is all from your side. And if you don’t believe me then, why are we talking? It’s so pointless to even talk like we trust or love or respect each other at all, if you don’t believe in what I’m saying. And you know it. And I know you, I respect you too much, to pretend for a second that you don’t know these facts. And you know it, so can you please…?
JD: Okay, and do you remember me fifteen minutes ago saying “let me make a call, let me get on this, and I’ll try and get back in touch with you”?
AH: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
JD: Okay? So let’s not jump on me, okay.
AH: I’m not trying to jump on you, I’m sorry.
JD: I’m gonna try and get through, see what the f**k is going on, see what the f**k has been happening. And I will get back to you. I’ll call your mom. But I hope you—
AH: I don’t want it to go bad. I don’t want it to. I didn’t want any of this. I don’t want it to be—
JD: It’s been going on too long, Amber, and we’ve just gotta stop this. Just gotta stop it.
AH: I don’t know how to get my reputation back.
JD: We write a letter together –
AH: Okay.
JD: Saying that we’re gonna take this out of the public eye. Saying that we’re gonna try and work this out on our own. Saying that the media has created such a f**king hateful storm that it’s sickening. That we love each other, and that we wanna make sure each other is okay. Have we had fights in the past? Have we had this or whatever? F**k it, they already know all that s**t, it don’t matter. Here’s the deal—
AH: No, it matters! I have been… You have no idea, every ounce of my credibility has been taken from me, and done so in a dishonest way. Come on, you know!
JD: Amber, the abuse thing is… we’ve gotta deal with that, yeah. We’ve gotta deal with that, Amber!
AH: I just don’t have any way of… It’s my credibility, you know!
JD: Then why did you put that out there?
AH: I DID NOT! YOU FORCED ME, YOUR TEAM FORCED ME TO, BY GOING ON THE OFFENSE! [inaudible]
JD: I didn’t force you to!
AH: I promise! Look up the timelines for these things, everything is… Forget it, you don’t believe what I say, you don’t believe what I say! But I did not choose this. You have, every step of the way there’s been an offense that I—
JD: I did not put this anywhere! I didn’t… Let me talk to the f**king team!
AH: I DID NOT CALL THE COPS! [inaudible]
JD: iO called the cops.
AH: I DID NOT CALL THE COPS!
JD: You told iO to call the cops.
AH: I did not call the cops and I did not give them any statement when they came. I’ve been trying to protect you! [inaudible]
JD: You told iO to call the cops.
AH: When, while it was happening? (THE ASSAULT)
JD: Yeah.
AH: OH, I’M SORRY! I’M SORRY BECAUSE THE LAST TIME THAT IT GOT CRAZY BETWEEN US, I REALLY DID THINK I WAS GONNA LOSE MY LIFE, AND I THOUGHT YOU WOULD DO IT ON ACCIDENT! And I told you that! I said, oh my God, I thought for the first time—
JD: Amber, I lost a f**king finger, man, come on. I had a f**king can of mineral spirits thrown at my nose!
AH: You can please tell people that it was a fair fight, and see what the jury and judge thinks! Tell the world, Johnny! Tell them, “I, Johnny Depp, man, am a victim too of domestic vi*lence…”
JD: Yes!
AH: “…and it’s a fair fight.” And see how many people believe or side with you.
JD: It doesn’t matter. Fair fight my a*s.
AH: Exactly! Because you’re bigger and you’re stronger. And so when I say that I thought you could kill me, THAT DOESN’T MEAN YOU COUNTER WITH YOU ALSO LOST YOUR OWN FINGER! I AM NOT TRYING TO ATTACK YOU HERE! I’M JUST TRYING TO POINT OUT THE FACT OF WHY I SAID “CALL 911”. BECAUSE YOU HAD YOUR HANDS ON ME, AFTER YOU THREW A PHONE AT MY FACE! And it’s gotten crazy in the past, and I truly thought, “I need to stop this madness before I get hurt.”
JD: Oh my God.
AH: And I never think about myself that way. I never defend myself that way. I never see myself as a victim.
JD: Alright. Alright, yeah.
AH: And when they came, I did not cooperate with them. It has been used against me – not by the media, by your side, who said—
JD: What do you mean? It’s all out in the media, why is my side—?
AH: TMZ is in your pocket and you don’t even know it? Oh, I mean, I was at the courthouse while TMZ was posting things – while I’m at the court house they’re posting things about the cops never coming, right? So we provide proof. Then they say “oh it was just one set of police officers”. Then they retract their story, but they don’t actually retract it like an objective media source would. No, what do they do? They just come out with a new lie – they go “oh, well it was just one pair of cops and she said it was two.” And I said no, here’s the proof. We just subpoenaed the building for the actual security records to prove that was wrong. Okay, so what did they do, they came out with a new lie, a different lie: “okay, it was this…” I mean, every step of the way, I’ve had to take, it’s been because, that news source in Marty’s pocket – that’s like Laura’s source! Every step of the way!
JD: Okay, listen— Alright listen, here’s the— Alright fine, you believe what you believe. I’m gonna call these people, I’m gonna take care of this, see what the f**k is going on. I will get back to you. Otherwise listen, as far as I can tell right now, it sounds like you wanna go to court, and you wanna f**k this up real bad.
AH: No, I DON’T! I JUST WANNA CLEAR MY NAME! I’ve been telling all the lawyers this from the beginning, and your lawyers knew this!
JD: You cannot clear up your name now!
AH: Don’t let them lie to you. Don’t let them lie to you. I have said only this from the very beginning: I only have my integrity, and the unfortunate thing is that if you take it a step further
JD: And what about mine? What about mine?
AH: I’m trying to say to you, literally in words out of my mouth, that’s what I’m trying to say to you. Every step of the way, I have said to them, the thing is, they’re hurting Johnny by this! Because every time that they call me a liar, or they say this is not true, or Stephen’s text messages never actually happened – or your security guards, which by the way was a follow up to your security guards saying they never saw abuse happening, the same security guards who by the way have said to me multiple times that I’m gonna get killed! And, once, on accident, I had the phone out f**king recording out on the table – from one of our old fights when we’re doing the thing where we record it – and we finished, walked away, whatever, and I catch Jerry Judge on it making calls after that. Which I didn’t even know I had done – I had left my phone out on the table in the same room where we were having a fight, and then left the room, and then Jerry’s on the phone! I mean, him saying that he did not acknowledge any physical vi*lence – you have no idea how bad this is going to be for every single person that has come on the record. Now, there is record of now Jerry and Sean saying that, both of which I can prove heard, I mean acknowledged —
JD: There’s also Travis coming to get me. There’s Travis having to come up and f**king pull me away from you.
AH: Yeah, but that’s you saying that to Travis. That’s different from Jerry Judge going on the record saying he never witnessed any vi*lence, and then me having a phone conversation recorded of him saying exactly that, not to mention multiple times would they… And they’ll have to do this under oath, obviously, they’re gonna have to say they didn’t see it in front of me and other people that have heard them.
JD: You’re gonna have to do this under oath too, you know.
AH: I WILL! Because the unfortunate part is, I can talk about all of this… [inaudible]
JD: Do you believe all this, Amber? Do you believe all this?
AH: YES, THE F**K, YES, YES!
JD: You believe… You believe I’m an abuser?
AH: YES!
JD: You believe I’m an abuser?
AH: YES! IF YOU LOOK BACK AND SEE, IN MAY, IN DECEMBER, IN APRIL… [inaudible]
JD: Do you believe you’re an abuser? Do you believe you abused me physically?
AH: Do I believe I physically abused you?
JD: Yes.
AH: Do you know I’m 115… well, not anymore, but I was a 115 pound woman and I have the capacity to…
JD: That’s not the question, that’s not the question.
AH: I’VE NEVER… HAVE I EVER BEEN ABLE TO KNOCK YOU OFF OF YOUR FEET?
JD: You started –
AH: OR OFF YOUR BALANCE?
JD: You started these things.
AH: Oh, you’re going to get up on the stand, Johnny, and say, “She started it!” Really? I have never been able to overpower you, that’s the difference between me and you!
JD: Why did you try?
AH: And that’s a difference, that the whole world and a jury and a judge will see that there’s a very big difference between me and you! And all your… all the people that have come out and lied on your behalf, I can prove they f**king lied! Whether that’s via text messages, that can be authenticated by third party electronic forensics experts, or if it’s audio, or it’s photos… there is so much evidence it blows… There is no reason that all this had to come out. But every step of the way… I mean, I didn’t say anything about security not doing their job or doing their job, and they came out with it. That was a proactive… You do not understand that. There was a proactive step, I had to respond.
JD: You cannot automatically… you cannot think that it’s just my side! You’re f**king killing me, your f**king people are trying to kill me. You’ve turned me into a… My boy has to go to school and has kids go “so your f**king dad’s a wife-be*ter?” You don’t think about that Amber.
AH: BUT YOU DON’T THINK ALSO MY FAMILY, AND ALL THE DEATH THREATS THAT ME AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN MY IMMEDIATE GROUP OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY IS GETTING ALSO MATTERS? AND YOU DON’T THINK I—
JD: Death threats?
AH: YOUR PEOPLE PUT THIS OUT! IF YOU DIDN’T WANT THIS OUT, WHY, WHY, WHY WOULD SECURITY GO ON THE RECORD AND LIE? WHY? THAT’S A PROACTIVE MEASURE! THEN WHY DID YOUR DIVORCE ATTORNEY GET TO FILE FOR DIVORCE, PERIOD? AT ALL? SECOND, WHY DID SHE HAVE TO GO AND GIVE IT TO TMZ? WHY, IF YOU WANTED IT KEPT PRIVATE, IS TMZ BEING FED INFORMATION LITERALLY BY LAURA WASSER AND MARTY SINGER, EVERY STEP OF THE WAY? [inaudible] MY ARREST RECORDS? WHAT’S NEXT IN THE MEDIA? THE RUMORS THAT I WAS A STRIPPER? OF COURSE! OF COURSE I CAN EXPECT THAT NEXT! I’ve known every step of the way, every single step of the way, everything you’d give ’em! You don’t think i have to respond?
JD: I’d give ‘em? I’d give ‘em? That’s it.
AH: [inaudible]
JD: “I’d give ‘em.” I’ll see you in court! No, I’ll f**king see you in court! I will f**king see you in court! I never f**king said that. I never told anyone that. You f**king trusted me with that, and I’ve never f**king told anyone that. And you know what?
AH: Thankyou.
JD: Amber, this is me saying, I tried, and thank you, and I will see you in f**king court. You don’t want to f**king make nice nice? I’m trying, I’m trying, but you know what? I loved you for so many f**king years, but you know what? You didn’t exist, you don’t exist. You’re not there, you’re not there. You were a f**king made-up thing in my head, and I can’t believe you’re doing this to me.
AH: Stop.
JD: I can’t believe it.
AH: There’s no need to be cruel on top of it.
JD: You’ve been nothing but cruel, and I am going to court with you.
AH: I’M JUST SITTING HERE DEFENDING MYSELF, AND IT MAKES YOU SO ANGRY! STOP!
JD: You have not let up, you keep blaming… no, what you just said…
AH: I’M JUST DEFENDING MYSELF! I’M DEFENDING MYSELF!
JD: What you just said to me…
AH: I’M DEFENDING MYSELF!
JD: What you just said to me…
AH: I’M DEFENDING MYSELF!
JD: You’re defending yourself against me about something I didn’t f**king do, and I’m not gonna fight with you because I know this s**t lasts forever.
AH: I DIDN’T SAY YOU DID IT, I SAID I CAN EXPECT IT NEXT! I am defending myself.
JD: Excuse me, I’ll be right—
AH: I AM DEFENDING MYSELF!
JD: Excuse me, I—
AH: I’M DEFENDING MYSELF TO YOU ON THE PHONE RIGHT NOW AND YOU’RE ATTACKING ME!
JD: Excuse me…
AH: THEN YOU CALL NAMES TO ME ON TOP OF IT!
JD: Can you give me one minute, please? May I have one minute please? I’ll be right back.
Call ends.
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